Breeders' Cup Chat Transcript
Monday night, November 1st, we had a chat with special guest Caton Bredar. It was quite a lively chat with as many as 35 in the room at one point and lasted about 2 hours. Here is a transcript for those of you who missed it. Hopefully we can have more chat events like this in the future.
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| Chas | LDK |
| louise | Twixt the dream and the reality falls the shadow! |
| horseracingADM | Hi Caton |
| MoreThnRedy | this time she can chase BP for 3/4 instead of only a half |
| racko | budroyale, all heart |
| Tex1 | Greetings Caton!!! |
| LadysSecret | Hi Caton |
| eddie | hi caton |
| louise | hi Caton ... thanks for coming back! |
| horseshoer | Hello Caton |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi Caton |
| Chas | Hello Caton |
| RockSand | Welcome Caton |
| freeneasy | hey Canton |
| horseracingADM | Thank you for coming. It is nice to have you here. |
| mike | how about behrens |
| louise | Cindy are you saving this chat, please? |
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| horseracingADM | Yes |
| RockSand | boing |
| louise | Thank you! |
| horseracingADM | That is why I am logged in with this name. |
| MoreThnRedy | haha |
| freeneasy | seeya |
| horseracingADM | Oops! I think she got boinged. :-) |
| horseshoer | did we scare her off |
| MoreThnRedy | was it something I said? |
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| Tex1 | Geez that chat was short :-( |
| SalishT | drat, my kiddo is sick! |
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| CaptainBodgit | Hows everybody doin? |
| SalishT | I had to leave, didn't miss anything, eh? |
| horseracingADM | She dropped completely off line. AOL must have dropped her connection. She will be back. |
| Chas | What's up with Bill Mott saying he may not run his horse's? On the Turf Caton? |
| LadysSecret | Hi TT and everyone else I missed recently too |
| Tex1 | just our luck, AOL picks the wrong person to kick off |
| louise | I hope there is going to be room for her |
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| horseracingADM | Here she comes |
| mike | will silver bulletday win the distaff |
| racko | yes |
| RockSand | no |
| Tex1 | Not if it's wet |
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| eddie | b. pleasure could wire again |
| cali | hey tex atleast aol consistent :) |
| Chas | She won't hit the board! |
| mike | how about b pleasure again |
| RockSand | I agree chas |
| LadysSecret | hey what happens if the board fills up? |
| horseracingADM | Hi Kid. Can't spell tonight? :-) |
| MoreThnRedy | well guys, too busy for my poor little brain |
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| MoreThnRedy | had a long day, goodnight |
| horseracingADM | Nite |
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| horseracingADM | Hi sy |
| racko | wheres caton |
| Tex1 | Greetings, sloppy :-) |
| horseracingADM | She got bounce by AOL but is coming back. |
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| LadysSecret | wb Caton |
| mike | how long is ch downs running |
| horseracingADM | There she is. Welcome back Caton. |
| freeneasy | ther she is |
| horseshoer | welcome back Caton |
| Pick31 | wb Caton |
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| cali | wb |
| Tex1 | Thanks for coming back :-) |
| horseracingADM | Hi red |
| louise | Hi Caton how is the job with Fox coming along? |
| CaptainBodgit | Shes back |
| redransom | hi there |
| KidBeyer | Hello from New Jersey : ) |
| SalishT | Hey, Caton. What is your favorite story about the BC & how it's shaping up right now? |
| RockSand | Are you in florida now, Caton? See any workouts? |
| caton | sorry folks--i've had trouble with aol ever since i moved to LA. |
| redransom | oh yes, had to come and see my former boss |
| horseracingADM | AOL is notorious for that. :-) |
| freeneasy | try Earthlink |
| mike | can anyone give me any tips for the cup |
| caton | no--I won't be in Florida as I'll be covering things from the TVG studio here in LA |
| TsunamiSlew | no TVG coverage of the Cup....live that is |
| horseracingADM | Are they going to let you show the races on there or is NBC blacking you guys out? |
| racko | mike, lexicon |
| mike | ok |
| caton | As for my favorite story, I'm still captivated by Chilluki and the idea of her keeping a perfect record. |
| CaptainBodgit | Mike, Borgia |
| LadysSecret | When can we watch TVG in the non-legal states? |
| louise | Caton, what are your perceptions about TVG right now? |
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| mike | ok |
| Chas | Ok is anyone @ Gulfstream now? |
| SalishT | I love Chilluki! |
| TsunamiSlew | I am' |
| horseracingADM | I will be there on Wednesday. |
| Tex1 | Thursday for me |
| redransom | i wish |
| Chas | How is the TURF? |
| louise | Caton, for the Classic which horse would be the biggest shock as a winner? |
| TsunamiSlew | very wet |
| caton | Even though her sheet numbers don't have her winning the race, I'm taking a stand with her as my "best bet", but unfortunately it doesn't help for the pick six |
| racko | i would have been |
| CaptainBodgit | I think Surfside will win |
| KidBeyer | Is that you Leslie from the Derby List? |
| mike | surfside wil upset chiluki |
| Tex1 | worse than Longchamp for the Arc? |
| TsunamiSlew | what SHEET numbers, Caton? |
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| horseracingADM | AOL just got her again |
| horseracingADM | She needs to get a new ISP. :-) |
| freeneasy | byeee |
| racko | needs to upgrade |
| Pick31 | Will they be racing on the turf before Saturday? |
| horseracingADM | She will be back |
| SalishT | Kid Beyer, yep this is Leslie aka LJ from Del Mar Fan Forum too |
| mike | behrens will win the classic hands down |
| redransom | my isp isnt working, so im on aol. working great now |
| horseracingADM | Yes, they race on it Friday. |
| TsunamiSlew | they run on the turf Friday at GP, too |
| RockSand | Surfside/ Talk Back exacta :-) |
| Tex1 | 2 races on Friday. |
| Tex1 | Both at 1 1/8 |
| CaptainBodgit | General Challenge is primed |
| horseracingADM | I use AOL when travelling and it usually works OK. It sucked last time I used it in Florida though. |
| racko | amen |
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| horseracingADM | Here she comes back. |
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| Chas | They have 2 races scheduled Friday on the turf |
| SalishT | I like General Challenge too, how's he like off tracks? |
| redransom | i heard that the lawn is very squishy, very very, my friend was on it today |
| TsunamiSlew | SURFSIDE |
| LadysSecret | Is there anyway they can dry out the turf? |
| Tex1 | 1-5 odds those 2 turf races on Friday are taken off |
| horseracingADM | That is what I heard too and it is supposed to rain there until at least Wednesday. |
| Pick31 | So that is going to hurt Daylami... |
| Chas | GC 1:09:3 |
| redransom | see, its so humid down there and with more rain coming |
| racko | chilukki is per fect and will stay thaT WAY |
| CaptainBodgit | The general is 2 for 2 wet |
| Pick31 | any horses really like the soft going? |
| eddie | soft turf here is firm in europe |
| redransom | its doubtful it will improve that much |
| TsunamiSlew | not raining now in SoFla |
| redransom | no eddie, it is bad |
| SalishT | Wonder what the weather wil be like? (cool? hot? Humid?) |
| horseracingADM | I hope it isn't as bad as it was back a couple of years ago when they had all those breakdowns on that turf course. |
| TsunamiSlew | muggy today |
| Chas | They have a tropical storm headed towards them according to the wc |
| RockSand | don't say that ADM!! |
| CaptainBodgit | Belmont in 95 was the wettest |
| horseracingADM | It does worry me |
| KidBeyer | Hope it is NOT as bad as it was last BC at Belmont Park : ( |
| redransom | the turf was HARD then |
| redransom | this is totally different |
| louise | one year Gulfstream had a sinkhole happen during a turf race |
| freeneasy | I wonder what the scratches will look like |
| louise | fortunately the horse and jockey weren't hurt |
| redransom | does anyone remember when turk passer won the turf classic inv? |
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| horseracingADM | Welcome back Caton |
| KidBeyer | That must be the Louise from the Derby List |
| SalishT | welcome back caton! |
| redransom | that was the year i worked there! |
| Pick31 | wb caton... |
| redransom | the sinkhole year |
| louise | hi again Caton... now which horse would be the biggest shocker for winning the classic |
| horseshoer | What are sheet numbers, Caton and where do you get them? |
| redransom | a pipe broke or something |
| ron24 | caton how do you feel a wet track will play on saturday? |
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| caton | Catienus |
| Pick31 | caton..if you can't stay on longer...you can drive down to San Diego and share my cable access *S* |
| louise | what about Cat Thief? |
| freeneasy | let me say Bye before you have to leave again hehe |
| eddie | has zito said if greenwood lake is definetely running |
| KidBeyer | CATON sez CATIENUS or CAT THIEF :P |
| redransom | he said GL was out |
| horseracingADM | Nothing like AOhell :-) |
| caton | I think Cat Thief is in over his head. |
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| freeneasy | you got it A |
| eddie | no doubt |
| caton | Zito has definitely declared Greenwood out |
| redransom | said he wasnt ever really going to run him anyway |
| horseracingADM | I definitely agree with that. I was shocked they entered the poor guy. |
| CaptainBodgit | What do you think of General Challege, Caton? |
| Tex1 | Maybe to make it easier --- what are Caton's picks for each race? So far we have Chilukki and Catienus |
| horseracingADM | (Cat Thief I mean) |
| WeekendStorm | Oh my gosh! Hi Everyone! |
| Chas | Will Artax go in the mile if it's taken off the turf? |
| Tex1 | hey WS |
| LadysSecret | Hi WS |
| horseracingADM | Hi WS |
| redransom | hi ws |
| caton | No--Catienus would be the biggest shock--not my pick! |
| Tex1 | they won't take those off the turf |
| KidBeyer | Are we going to do the races IN Order? |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi ws |
| freeneasy | hey Storm |
| racko | do the races in order |
| Tex1 | they'll take Friday's races off. Not the BC. |
| eddie | no way they take the any of the turf races off |
| CaptainBodgit | We should do them in order |
| WeekendStorm | don't everyone take the time to say Hi to me - I know you mean it! |
| TsunamiSlew | SURFSIDE |
| CaptainBodgit | Distaff is first |
| KidBeyer | Leading off...is the Distaff |
| caton | How about we start with the Distaff--I think the track works to Silverbullet's advantage. |
| horseracingADM | She had a great workout |
| redransom | definitely sets up for an off the pace type, i agree |
| eddie | pleasure only real speed i think |
| TsunamiSlew | Paseana |
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| CaptainBodgit | BP only speed, too tough |
| Chas | What about a wet track? |
| caton | I think Banshee has trailed off and I still can't believe Beautiful Pleasure can put in three top efforts in a row like that. |
| redransom | someone will go with her I think |
| KidBeyer | Off the pace type? no no! John Ward has Beautiful Pleasure honed. |
| Pick31 | How does GP play?...especially when wet.. |
| horseracingADM | It would help her if it was sloppy but I don't think it will be. Forecasts say no rain after Wed. |
| RockSand | Who is on BB? |
| CaptainBodgit | Noone is fast enough to run with BP |
| redransom | pat day |
| CaptainBodgit | Day |
| caton | Manistique is kind of the dark horse--if she's relaxed and settled, she can run a big race. |
| redransom | whoo hoo! |
| horseracingADM | SBD just worked 57 2/5 today |
| eddie | chavez has a lot of big rides |
| Chas | Day |
| redransom | mani is training great |
| KidBeyer | Manistique needs California AIR |
| caton | When Gulf is sloppy, it can favor speed, but I've also seen it play even. Just depends on what they've been doing with it lately. |
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| redransom | she needs to keep her head together, caton is right |
| TsunamiSlew | the fillywho Manistique was ALL OUT to beat last time was just drilled in the CAL CUP |
| redransom | they never asked her for her best last out |
| Chas | Banshee Breeze is 4 for 4 @GP |
| redransom | mani is 4 for 4 at 9f |
| eddie | yeah chas |
| Chas | WHERE? |
| caton | I was on Banshee's bandwagon until the Spinster--just didn't seem to have an excuse. |
| KidBeyer | Alright...everyone has a pick in the Distaff before we go to The Juvenile Fillies. |
| eddie | repeat of the beldame |
| CaptainBodgit | BP |
| KidBeyer | Beautiful Pleasure Wire to Wire |
| Pick31 | BP.. |
| TsunamiSlew | Sacahuista |
| redransom | mani, of course |
| WeekendStorm | BP |
| Chas | Horse for Course |
| RockSand | Banshee |
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| LadysSecret | BB |
| horseracingADM | Sentimentally I like Banshee but I could go for Mani too |
| redransom | talked to christy today |
| TsunamiSlew | I'll go with whoever Todd Schrupp picks |
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| KidBeyer | 2) Juvenile Fillies, 1 1/16 miles |
| redransom | never asked her and she went in 1:00 4/5 |
| SalishT | Caton likes Chilukki! |
| CaptainBodgit | Surfside |
| caton | I've already committed to Chilukki--I think she does just what she needs to do. |
| LadysSecret | Surfside |
| SalishT | :-) |
| TsunamiSlew | Christy Gindt |
| WeekendStorm | Surfside |
| RockSand | surfside |
| KidBeyer | Chilukki is vulnerable outside of CAL first time out |
| Pick31 | Surfside |
| redransom | thats a hard one |
| Chas | Chilukki Surfside Darling My Darling |
| CaptainBodgit | DWL is overdue for a win |
| eddie | if chilukki will rate behind surf and darling |
| redransom | what about darling my darling? anyone ,,,? |
| KidBeyer | The quality of CAL fillies..(Abby Girl) are not the same as Surfside or Darling |
| Chas | Those two races are as far as i've gotten |
| TsunamiSlew | Surfside-Scratch Pad |
| WeekendStorm | Darling My Darling is good - that's my exacta - DMD and Surfside - Surfside on top |
| cowabunga | Type HEREchilukki in a breeze |
| redransom | what about spain |
| KidBeyer | Calder's Scratch Pad is a dark horse...ala Brave Raj |
| SalishT | And Chilukki set a stakes record going 2 turns for her first time... |
| CaptainBodgit | Frizzette replay |
| eddie | whoever rates behind the speed |
| horseracingADM | Chilukki has show she likes to win |
| WeekendStorm | oh shoot - forgot Scratch Pad |
| SalishT | Speaking of Abby Girl what's the reason given for not going to the BC? |
| RockSand | Surfside/TalkBack |
| louise | Hey, let's let Caton give us the benefit of her expertise! |
| eddie | you from canada rock? |
| RockSand | nope |
| TsunamiSlew | Brave Raj WAS NOT a Calder horse....was a SoCal horse who shipped to Calder for some free money |
| Tex1 | <- Canada here :-) |
| caton | I'm trying to remember what happened to Abby Girl--I think they felt the last race just took too much out of her. |
| Chas | She worked pretty good Chilukki :59 |
| KidBeyer | oh yeah...you California homeboys :D |
| SalishT | Possibly. I was there and saw Chilukki beat Abby Girl. |
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| SalishT | I was sort of hoping that Abby Girl would beat her, since she's trained by my trainer (Craig Dollase) |
| caton | All Bafferts horses worked well this am--I think that's pretty much standard for Baffert. Hard to argue with the results. |
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| horseracingADM | He certainly came loaded up with talent this year. |
| freeneasy | true |
| KidBeyer | How tall is that Craig Dollase? |
| SalishT | It is, but I would rather not see horses worked so hard pre-huge race... but he wins, so what the hell do I know? |
| caton | Very tall. |
| KidBeyer | I know! :D |
| SalishT | Yes, very tall, and very nice! |
| racko | 6'3 or so |
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| horseshoer | how tall are you caton? . . . .lol |
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| LadysSecret | Hi Yo |
| KidBeyer | Alright....Juvenile Fillies Picks everyone |
| cali | 6'3 |
| caton | All california trainer's sons are tall--Gary Mandella, Dollase, West... |
| Tex1 | Greetings Yo-T |
| horseracingADM | Hi Yo |
| KidBeyer | Surfside here. |
| YoTambien | Hi everyone! |
| caton | Chilukki |
| LadysSecret | Surfside |
| horseracingADM | They must feed the kids Miracle Grow out there. :-) |
| CaptainBodgit | Surfside |
| KidBeyer | yes Lady! |
| ron24 | scratch pad here |
| SalishT | Surfside is the fav, but I love Chilukki and hope she takes it by a wide margion |
| SalishT | margin |
| redransom | surfside |
| TsunamiSlew | Has Claudia Simon's boyfriend threatened Schrupp's life yet? |
| redransom | runs like her momma |
| freeneasy | Chilukki |
| YoTambien | Surfside |
| KidBeyer | 3) Turf MILE |
| redransom | todd has his own woman |
| racko | adm the kids get the good oats |
| horseracingADM | LOL |
| CaptainBodgit | Docksider |
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| KidBeyer | Totally WIDE OPEN race...rerun of the ATTO Mile perhaps |
| ron24 | lend a hand |
| YoTambien | So does everyone know that Best Results finally got a home? |
| SalishT | I don't know... I need to hear who the candidates are -- would love to hear Caton's ideas on this race for sure. |
| SalishT | I did, Yo |
| horseracingADM | The mile is really a tough one, I agree |
| redransom | as opposed to the dirt mile? |
| SalishT | And what are the Euros like in this race? |
| YoTambien | BTW - hi Eddie |
| eddie | third race off the layoff for silic, looks strong |
| louise | Won't the Euros like a soft turf course? |
| KidBeyer | Neil Drysdale must be banking on this race after Canada DQ with Hawksley |
| caton | I'm still having a hard time with this one because of the weather and the course. folks at Gulfstream tell me the course is an absolute bog |
| redransom | heard the same thing today |
| Chas | I just read the report on Chilukki's work and it was not favorable! |
| horseracingADM | To nasty even for most of the Euros? |
| cowabunga | Brave Act was stopped cold last out watch out at a price |
| CaptainBodgit | Docksider beat Jim and Tonic by 5 lenths 2 back, plus he likes it wet |
| louise | DRF headlines say the TURF races in jeopardy |
| Tex1 | well, too nasty maybe for Daylami... |
| Pick31 | Can you compare Timeform numbers to Beyer numbers? |
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| YoTambien | Hi Temp! |
| redransom | hi tremp |
| horseracingADM | Hi Tremp |
| LadysSecret | Hi Tremp |
| caton | logically, that might help the Europeans, but I don't think, with a few exceptions, they've sent their best, and I really think the weather will hurt them. |
| Trempolino | Hey everybody |
| TsunamiSlew | very muggy down here |
| caton | there's no way they won't run on the grass on Saturday. No way. |
| eddie | hawksley ran terrible his last race on soft turf |
| SalishT | That's what I thought. Scratch a BC off the turf? No! |
| YoTambien | How was the course up in Canada for Hawksley? |
| horseracingADM | They will probably cancel the turf races on Fri. and Sun. but no way they will on Sat. |
| SalishT | So who LIKES the soft going? |
| Tex1 | which would mean they get downgraded to G2 |
| Tex1 | no way |
| horseracingADM | They will let them absolutely kill the course first. |
| CaptainBodgit | Caton, will the course be at least good? |
| Chas | Buck's Boy |
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| caton | Buck's Boy. |
| eddie | kirkwall just won on yielding ground at kee |
| horseracingADM | soft or yeilding at best is my guess |
| KidBeyer | Soft going would mean Presser and Stalker have advantage...not DEEP closer |
| Chas | like's it soft that is |
| louise | Couldn't they run the TURF races at Hialeah? |
| KidBeyer | LOL |
| Tex1 | if the course is really bad, run the FMT and Mile around dogs then take those down for the Turf |
| TsunamiSlew | turf firm at Calder today |
| TsunamiSlew | at least that's what the TV saud |
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| redransom | divide and conquer ran well on the soft going. if he gets in |
| CaptainBodgit | Dont count out Docksider esp. if its soft |
| caton | Hialeah had their problems as well last season. Calder was firm--you're right. But they'll call it good for the Cup--watch and see. |
| horseracingADM | Can you imagine how pissed off all the people who bought tickets would be if they ran the races at Calder? |
| CaptainBodgit | They should have better drainage |
| horseracingADM | (the turf races I mean) |
| YoTambien | I could not even imagine |
| redransom | kirkwall won on a very soft course at keeneland |
| eddie | perfect sting back to back wins on off going |
| KidBeyer | Frankel has been hot...Kirkwall ran bonkers at Keeneland |
| YoTambien | How would Hawksley take a soft course? |
| WeekendStorm | you gotta be kidding, people - those other tracks aren't even READY for that type of thing! |
| redransom | i was there. he looked like a duck in water |
| CaptainBodgit | Borgia will like it soft, just not too soft like the arc |
| caton | Middlesex Drive has run some okay races on good and yielding turf courses. |
| redransom | also won the tanforan on the soft going |
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| eddie | looks best on the lead though |
| TsunamiSlew | I'll take Ridgewood Pearl on the off turf |
| YoTambien | Well - I guess I'm glad I'm on the BC Classic team for the parlay pool! |
| redransom | off the pace last time. could have gone around again! |
| KidBeyer | Middlesex looks to be Grade 2 caliber...won't wire loose like Kelso Mile |
| caton | If it truly stays on the soft side, I don't like Hawsley Hill. |
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| horseracingADM | Hi ovals |
| redransom | hi ovals |
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| YoTambien | Hi ovals! |
| CaptainBodgit | Dont discount Docksider |
| WeekendStorm | Hi ovals |
| ovals | howdy |
| LadysSecret | Hi ovals |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi ovals |
| YoTambien | Welcome LS! |
| Tex1 | Greets LS |
| eddie | vals prince ran huge in soft man o war |
| YoTambien | Okay - someone has to move over a bit to make more room! |
| redransom | hi ls |
| caton | For what it's worth, this is a course you can go wire to wire on, especially when it's on the softer side I think. |
| KidBeyer | Garbu and Delay of Game also outside shot for Billy and Rusty |
| redransom | kirkwall! |
| CaptainBodgit | Vals Prince would love it soft |
| CaptainBodgit | so would Bucks Boy |
| KidBeyer | Soft grass hampers acceleration on the turn |
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| Chas | Catienus was all out to finish his work in :23 4/5 today Caton |
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| eddie | yagli would probably be a throw out on soft ground |
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| WeekendStorm | I have a quick question? |
| KidBeyer | Everyone's pick for the Turf MILE....... |
| CaptainBodgit | Yep eddie |
| LadysSecret | shoot WS |
| caton | I want to make sure everybody understands--I did not pick Catienus in the Classic. I think that would be ne of the biggest shocks, is all. |
| Tex1 | Course up in Canada (sorry I was late) was firm. |
| KidBeyer | Silic |
| CaptainBodgit | Docksider |
| caton | what's the quick question? |
| eddie | why is borgias first choice the turf |
| Tex1 | Woodbine drains so well it never becomes a bog |
| horseshoer | so what is your pick for the Turf mile caton (hate to put you on the spot) heheh |
| WeekendStorm | stablemail workouts for today listed works at GPX as sloppy and fast? how can that be? |
| Chas | Just thought of you when I read his comments |
| KidBeyer | 4) BC Sprint..6 furlongs......... |
| caton | I'm actually looking at Silic. |
| CaptainBodgit | Forestry |
| KidBeyer | Forestry possible favorite has never won at 6 furlongs |
| eddie | good bet against |
| CaptainBodgit | He will |
| YoTambien | Thoughts on Artax? |
| ovals | caton, who will be riding Silic? |
| Chas | Well maybe they started fast and finisehd sloppy ie It rained |
| caton | But I reserve the right to change my mind, especially in the turf races. |
| eddie | nakatani |
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| CaptainBodgit | Artax will be fav |
| horseshoer | if artax goes in the mile? |
| redransom | i like fillies in the sprint |
| eddie | no chance of that |
| horseracingADM | He won't |
| YoTambien | No Artax is in the sprint |
| redransom | good history |
| WeekendStorm | haha, Chas |
| louise | Artax for the Sprint.... he can possibly get an Eclipse with a win in the Sprint |
| KidBeyer | Artax the Vosburgh winner has an 0 for 10 jinx on Paragallo's Black suit |
| redransom | it could be true ws. the rain patterns down there are nutty |
| Chas | Forestry |
| CaptainBodgit | Forestry ran 6 furs in 107 and change in the Kings Bishup |
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| Chas | 1:07:3 |
| horseracingADM | I would like to see Artax win just because of the idiot who tried to punch him on Preakness day. :-) |
| louise | Caton who do you think looks good for the sprint? |
| CaptainBodgit | Forestry is the most likely to improve, since he is a 3yo |
| WeekendStorm | I agree, ADM! |
| KidBeyer | This will be FAST early ....setting it up for a presser |
| redransom | i like enjoy the moment |
| louise | me too rr |
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| WeekendStorm | not Furlough? |
| Chas | How much more can he improve from that time? |
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| redransom | i like her too, but i think she needs a extra furlong |
| CaptainBodgit | I dont know, but all signs are good |
| eddie | she won a pick six for me |
| KidBeyer | Furlough the Filly is not a presser...she's be LAST early |
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| caton | I don't think I've ever come up with the sprint winner in the entire history of the Cup |
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| horseracingADM | Hi glenners |
| WeekendStorm | me either, Caton |
| LadysSecret | hey glenners |
| Tex1 | Glenners! Long time! |
| YoTambien | GLENNERS!!!!! |
| redransom | hi glenners |
| YoTambien | Geez - stranger! |
| eddie | stick with the cal sprinters |
| Pick31 | Then pick 13 of them this time, caton |
| KidBeyer | Affirmed Success, Big Jag or Kona Gold will be in the garden spot. |
| WeekendStorm | so I'm under the gun because I have that race for the Exceller Fund |
| WeekendStorm | Hi Glenners! |
| ovals | caton, can you confirm the rumor that old trieste is out of the classic? |
| horseshoer | so this is your year Caton . . lol |
| YoTambien | Well - the Classic team has our 1st picks - working on our backups now |
| glenners | what's happening, i hear there's some big race coming up |
| YoTambien | ROFLOL |
| YoTambien | Have a drink Glenners! |
| caton | We did not hear that today at TVG--we had call in guests on at 3 Pacific time, so I think we would have heard about Old Trieste. |
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| horseracingADM | Hi rookie |
| WeekendStorm | only Glenners could come up with that |
| CaptainBodgit | Forestry can rate and finish, unlike Artax Aff Sucess and Kona |
| redransom | i fear the glue on shoes |
| glenners | lol, thanks ws |
| Chas | Where is the BC next year? |
| redransom | not a good sign in any race, let alone the classic |
| redransom | churchill |
| CaptainBodgit | CD |
| YoTambien | The glue on the shoes - cannot be good |
| horseracingADM | Churchill Downs |
| LadysSecret | Churchill Chas |
| KidBeyer | Forestry is cutting back from 7 to 6 furlongs. |
| eddie | bad sign |
| caton | I was really impressed with Artax last out, but I keep thinking the sprint will be won by a west coast horse. |
| WeekendStorm | the only place it should be! hehehehe |
| YoTambien | So when is the BC coming out to So Cal again? |
| CaptainBodgit | But look at Forestry's 6f time |
| Chas | Thanx |
| eddie | artax breaks bad to often |
| caton | Maybe Big Jag--he beat Lexicon. |
| eddie | that never works bodgit |
| CaptainBodgit | 107 and change |
| horseshoer | what west coast horse Caton? |
| freeneasy | Ithink its open enough for Big Jag to get the win |
| YoTambien | The Exceller Fund will be praying for Artax |
| KidBeyer | Artax broke cleanlly from the raile and got Loose on the lead...much pressure this time out |
| eddie | true |
| horseshoer | and will the west coast horses adjust to the humidity? |
| CaptainBodgit | Artax will get buried like Wild Rush did |
| eddie | better than new york horses |
| redransom | its hotter in so cal now |
| SalishT | I can't see Big Jag... |
| RockSand | Artax doesn't show a race on off track |
| ron24 | how about successful appeal |
| louise | it's humid on the west coast |
| YoTambien | It's VERY hot in So Cal right now |
| caton | I can testify to the fact that it's been very humid in southern california this summer and even now. |
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| Chas | Why don't they have it at Delmar Or does that make too much sense? |
| SalishT | Oh I didn't think the Santa Ana = humidity? |
| YoTambien | When can I turn off my air conditioner and start up a fire in the fireplace? |
| ovals | small turf course |
| KidBeyer | Successful Appeal got a DREAM TRIP in Kentucky behind Five Star Day's rabbit tactics |
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| caton | Having lived in Florida, I'm pretty familiar with the humidity--I don't think the west coast horses are at that big of a disadvantage in that respect. |
| SalishT | Del Mar has to redo their turf course before they can have a BC |
| redransom | agreed caton |
| ron24 | that should help here with the speed then |
| horseracingADM | I agree too |
| eddie | artax and forestry will be way overbet, will get good prices on the cal sprinters |
| YoTambien | Santa Anita and Holly Park are much better at traffic control |
| CaptainBodgit | I hope it comes back to Belmont soon |
| Chas | It has to be better than GP now |
| horseracingADM | Probably gives them an edge over the northern and euro horses |
| CaptainBodgit | I'm hoping Forestry will be 4-1 |
| SalishT | If Belmont could only give good service it would be an excellent place for the BC |
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| caton | Kona Gold also offers some value and is awfully fast. |
| WeekendStorm | Nobodoy has mentioned Kona Gold? so consistent! |
| glenners | funny thing is nobody has mentioned the sprint winner yet |
| KidBeyer | Everyone's picks of the 6 furlong SPRINT....... |
| redransom | it has been warm in kentucky (they say, havent been there in a month) |
| KidBeyer | Affirmed Success |
| CaptainBodgit | Forestry |
| YoTambien | And that would be glenners.. who? |
| louise | okay Glenners let's have the name |
| Chas | Baffert |
| redransom | enjoy the moment |
| racingrookie | Big Jag |
| eddie | lexicon |
| WeekendStorm | sorry - Caton! you beat me to it! |
| glenners | lexicon |
| RockSand | Caton - if you have any say-so- with networks - tell them to Please include breeding line in post parade |
| YoTambien | YES!!!!!!!!!! |
| louise | don't say breeding... say pedigree! |
| KidBeyer | right |
| LadysSecret | lol loyuse |
| YoTambien | Whatever - just show it!!!!! |
| redransom | you say tomato .... |
| LadysSecret | louise - sorry |
| caton | Now, if I had say so with the networks...I'd be doing more on-air network work! |
| Tex1 | Yep, pedigree, DI, CD, and AWD :-) |
| Chas | tomatoe |
| ovals | caton, I want to take you off topic and ask you what you plan presenting at Horseplayers EXPO 2000 |
| redransom | hush tex! |
| SalishT | Here here, Caton! |
| redransom | hehe |
| YoTambien | I just wanna know if I'm cheering for the baby of a horse I cheered for years back! |
| KidBeyer | 5) Filly and Mare TURF |
| Dougiepoo | if Durkin is too drunk, any chance Ross Morton could call the Breeders' Cup? |
| horseshoer | you should be Caton |
| redransom | lol |
| CaptainBodgit | Caton, what do you think of NBC taking over the triple crown? |
| eddie | what ive always thought was a big problem with on air racing, arent most of the people that would watch it at the track? |
| LadysSecret | yes but that is what VCRs are for eddie |
| louise | eddie you are part right ... most of the people betting it are at the track |
| eddie | thats all i use my vcr for, racehorse digest |
| KidBeyer | True Eddie...that means RATINGS on TV don't mean mucho |
| YoTambien | But many people live too far away and would still like to see it |
| louise | the ones at home are pre teenage girls in that I want a pony stage |
| redransom | bit necessarily -- we have drive thru betting in ku |
| redransom | ky |
| YoTambien | HEY - I resent that louise! |
| redransom | not necessarily. |
| KidBeyer | Filly and Mare TURF anyone? |
| YoTambien | I'm 40 and I STILL want a pony! ; ) |
| eddie | spanish fern |
| Dougiepoo | Caton, did you ever buy Chris Lincoln dinner, and if so, did you declare bankruptcy afterwards? |
| louise | no offense Yo Tambien |
| CaptainBodgit | Borgia |
| caton | I'd like it better if I did any work for NBC, but I think, anytime networks are paying big money to cover a race, it's a good thing. The NBC folks are fans of racing, so that's a plus also. |
| LadysSecret | I'm 40 and I want a pony in the 7th ;-) |
| Tex1 | LOL!! |
| Pick31 | Borgia..if she runs in it. |
| WeekendStorm | Are you going to turn into a pumpkin, KidBeyer? |
| KidBeyer | Jerry Seinfeld's aunt Manya had a pony ; ) |
| eddie | borgia will likely draw into turf |
| redransom | perfect sting! duh... |
| KidBeyer | A Smashing Pumkin ; ) |
| Chas | good one doug |
| CaptainBodgit | I hope NBC uses you |
| Dougiepoo | Does Kenny Rice wear pants when you tape 2day at the Races? |
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| caton | are we up to the filly and mare turf? |
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| louise | white him out please |
| redransom | yes we are |
| Trempolino | Boing! |
| redransom | perfect sting! |
| eddie | spanish fern |
| KidBeyer | Filly and Mare TURF..roll 'em |
| horseracingADM | Pleasant Temper |
| louise | of course this one is Natalie Too wire to wire! |
| eddie | sting will like off going |
| redransom | yes she will |
| louise | oops forgot the big grin on that one! |
| KidBeyer | no way Natalie TOO? she's a closer |
| CaptainBodgit | Borgia- If she is in |
| jelly | soaring softly |
| redransom | and she has never been better |
| glenners | coretta can't lose |
| SalishT | Who do you like Caton? |
| Dougiepoo | I can't believe we are really chatting with Kim Goodwin |
| redransom | i like soaring softly a bit too |
| glenners | take that to the bank |
| horseshoer | spanish fern |
| Trempolino | Any more defections as of late today? |
| KidBeyer | hey I LIKE Kimmie Goodwin ; ) |
| caton | I liked Borgia in the Arc but she wasn't as good as Montjeu and also didn't handle the course. I like Anguilla if it's on the good to firm side, but not if it's soft. She doesn't like it soft. |
| redransom | ok stop being disrespectful |
| SalishT | so Caton, for soft going? |
| CaptainBodgit | Borgia only lost by a neck to El Condor Pasa 2 back |
| WeekendStorm | Perfect Sting |
| redransom | shes awesome |
| KidBeyer | This is a 3 turn races....Post Position will matter... |
| eddie | borgia hasnt won in two years |
| redransom | it always matters |
| caton | It definitely will. Outside posts will get killed, especially if they happen to go to Europeans. |
| Trempolino | What about Prized in the Turf? |
| Dougiepoo | was sex with Doug Donn any different than it was with Steve Schwartz? |
| CaptainBodgit | But shes been facing boys, if she was facing girls she would have many wins |
| louise | ESPN article says don't bet the 9 post out in the turf races at GP |
| KidBeyer | NBC will of course play the Jimmy Toner/Soaring angle because of his cancer |
| dibo | Type HEREI got here a little late .You know, monday night football. Somebody tell me what horse stands out the most. Favorite or not! |
| eddie | good point, but why is she going in turf |
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| CaptainBodgit | Because they are so high on her |
| eddie | bad move |
| YoTambien | Finally |
| redransom | god what an idiot |
| horseshoer | Dougiepoo will not be missed |
| horseracingADM | If he comes back I will kick him again. |
| Tex1 | Thanks, Cindy. Sorry Caton for that |
| YoTambien | Young |
| caton | I'm just thinking it would have been smarter with Doug Donn |
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| CaptainBodgit | I dont like her for the turf- but if she is in the FM I do |
| horseshoer | LOL |
| KidBeyer | LOL Caton..you have a humor |
| WeekendStorm | lol! |
| WeekendStorm | Caton - you should come here more often! |
| horseshoer | that was quick Caton |
| SalishT | Yeah! That was good! |
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| Trempolino | yes--since all these people ignore the chatroom every other day |
| KidBeyer | Caton is a married gal, no? |
| caton | yes. |
| KidBeyer | is HE a racing fan Caton? |
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| caton | hubby is racing secretary in Phoenix at Turf Paradise. |
| Tex1 | Same guy I'm sure |
| horseracingADM | It was |
| YoTambien | Hey - I'm making my daughter figure out math homework by herself now.. otherwise I wouldn't be here |
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| redransom | hi o |
| Tex1 | hey Orbit |
| Trempolino | Hello Orbit |
| ovals | hi O |
| Orbit | wow |
| jelly | is he going to work at Prairie Meadows again next year? |
| YoTambien | Orbit |
| Orbit | hi guys |
| WeekendStorm | Hi Orbit! |
| LadysSecret | hi O |
| freeneasy | hey O |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi orbit |
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| glenners | hey o |
| Chas | Forest Camp today :58 2/5 "Clearly on top of his game" |
| YoTambien | Yeah - we need a little more room on the sofa here |
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| Orbit | hi glenners |
| LadysSecret | thanks Cindy |
| horseshoer | okay who do you like if the turf is soft caton |
| Orbit | well scoot over, my big ass is here! |
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| redransom | lol |
| horseshoer | or did I miss that? |
| redransom | too much beer? |
| YoTambien | Oh dear |
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| caton | This was his last year for Prairie because of Turf Paradise. he'll be back at Hollywood next summer, and it'll just be the two places (I'm hoping). |
| YoTambien | Kids |
| Orbit | just kidding, my ass isn't big |
| KidBeyer | Perfect Sting has been the Queen of 3yo fillies...tackles older |
| louise | Caton, are we up to the Juvenille yet? |
| freeneasy | see ya, wouldnt want to be ya |
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| redransom | she will run well, mark my words |
| OPTIONAL | are you going to be doing the Hollywood simo Caton? |
| CaptainBodgit | If Borgia is ready to roll, noone can match her |
| KidBeyer | Spanish Fern..improving but got a beautiful trip in California |
| louise | that's okay O(rbit I have enough for both of us |
| caton | I'll just say that I'll probably go with Anguilla because I used to work with her and ultimately, you might as well bet with your heart in this kind of race. |
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| Orbit | lol louise |
| eddie | f and m turf looks pretty weak though |
| Tex1 | Greetings Kelso/Bug |
| Orbit | hi kelso, e! |
| redransom | hi kb |
| YoTambien | Hey Kelso |
| caton | I'll also go with Borgia--I really liked her a lot in the Arc. |
| CaptainBodgit | What do you think that guys next name will be? |
| LadysSecret | Hi you two |
| KidBeyer | This one's very competitive if you factor in the post chaos |
| kelsobug | Hi y'all! |
| horseshoer | how did you work with her CAton? |
| YoTambien | F and M? Did anyone really think out the name for that race? |
| dibo | still waiting for someone to tell me there favorite and why |
| eddie | i thought turf distaff would have been better |
| YoTambien | Caton - did you go to the United Pegasus dinner Friday night? |
| horseracingADM | They should have just called it the the distaff turf. |
| CaptainBodgit | Good call Caton- I hope she is atleast 8-1 |
| horseracingADM | or turf distaff |
| LadysSecret | I like my name - Lady's Turf |
| YoTambien | Behrens will hit the board |
| caton | I galloped for Tommy Skiffington last winter at Gulfstream and this spring at Hialeah--my last galloping job before I moved out to LA. |
| eddie | going out on a limb there tambien |
| CaptainBodgit | Ladys Turf is good |
| kelsobug | OK, so wha's the opinion on the Turf course..Yeilding, Soft or BOG??? |
| YoTambien | That's me - I'm a banker - Risk Averse |
| redransom | bog |
| horseracingADM | Bog |
| caton | Bog at the moment. |
| redransom | bog |
| redransom | and signs of rain |
| eddie | well youll get 2.20 |
| KidBeyer | Everyone's picks on the Inaugural Filly+Mare Turf...... |
| horseshoer | that does give you a perspective then |
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| YoTambien | So we bet a show ticket at (hopefully) around $300 to $400 |
| eddie | spanish fern |
| KidBeyer | Soaring Softly |
| kelsobug | Caton, miss you as the Voice of SoFlo racing... |
| CaptainBodgit | I hope they get mosquitos out of the bog |
| Pick31 | Borgia.. |
| kelsobug | Think it will dry out enough? |
| Trempolino | Is daylami still Turf-bound, or is Godolphin very glad they cross-entered him at this stage? |
| caton | Someone asked about Hollywood--I won't be doing regular work for anyone other than FOX and TVG for awhile. |
| CaptainBodgit | Borgia |
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| louise | i miss Caton on Thoroughbred World that was a great show |
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| CaptainBodgit | Caffe Latte if Borgia is out |
| redransom | perfect sting, i am tellin ya'll |
| Chas | What about ESPN? |
| KidBeyer | 6) Juvenile....males! |
| OPTIONAL | Caton are you going to join the crew of FoxW2 for the Hollywood Show? |
| horseracingADM | I still like Pleasant Temper. |
| caton | I'll still be doing shows here and there for big events, but otherwise, I'm a FOX girl, which means I cannot be an ESPN girl. |
| redransom | competitors and all |
| CaptainBodgit | Chief Seattle |
| kelsobug | Agree with you, Kid...with Coretta and Perfect Sting |
| KidBeyer | short run to the first turn in a mile and 16th races at Gulfstream...INSIDE SPEED |
| kelsobug | Borgia hasn't won a race in 2 years |
| KidBeyer | right on Kelsobug |
| CaptainBodgit | She will |
| CaptainBodgit | She would have 8 wins against girls |
| kelsobug | Juvie Colts is ( |
| horseshoer | Okay how about the Juvenile? |
| kelsobug | E) Dixie Union (K) Chief Seattle |
| KidBeyer | Chief Seattle and High Yield will better their Belmont Futurity efforts but this looks to be California's race |
| CaptainBodgit | Chief Seattle |
| kelsobug | HY is toast... |
| YoTambien | I'd like to see Dixie Union take it |
| caton | And I may be at hollywood from time to time. Juvenile, I like Anees a bit, along with Kiss A Native and Dixie Union. |
| eddie | they should let trevor call a b.c. one year |
| YoTambien | Is Hugh Hefner in or out at this point? |
| CaptainBodgit | Anees is a live longshot |
| kelsobug | If Kiss stays in, he'll be on my tix...Franks did it last year |
| YoTambien | Eddie - that would be great |
| CaptainBodgit | Is kiss a native in? |
| kelsobug | Hugh i sin\ |
| horseracingADM | I just saw that old miniseries Blue Grass on cable last weekend. It was so cool to hear Tevor call the KY Derby on it. :-) |
| kelsobug | but not impressive according to BRIS |
| louise | Caton, you don't think the Juv belongs to Forest Camp?? |
| SalishT | I think Dixie Union, but... might change my mind when I see the pp's |
| kelsobug | Kiss is in the body, but not sure to start |
| CaptainBodgit | I like Tom Durkin better than Dave Johnson |
| caton | I atually think a lot of Dixie Union, but I'm just not sure how he'll react to that last race. Also, he'll be a short price, don't you think? |
| eddie | durkin is good but why not let denman call at hollyood or s.a. |
| Tex1 | Anyone's better than Dave Johnson |
| KidBeyer | Juvenile Odds prognostication: Forest Camp: 9-5, Dixie Union 7-2, Chief Seattle 4-1, High Yield 6-1 |
| kelsobug | Forest Camp=Cali and BUTE |
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| caton | Can't leave out the Calder horses with a shot--they'll be huge prices and usually run big in Florida. |
| Chas | Don't start that one |
| eddie | kiss a native longshot chance |
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| kelsobug | Gotcha there...(K) SCRATCH PAD |
| caton | If I get Dixie union at 7/2, I'll be betting for sure. |
| CaptainBodgit | Denmen should call west coast |
| redransom | yes they do |
| Chas | Forest Camp im sold |
| KidBeyer | I'll be looking over Caton's shoulder at the $50 window |
| CaptainBodgit | I hope Chief will be 6-1 |
| kelsobug | Nah, not in the budget |
| dibo | I think Beautiful Pleasure is going to take it. |
| eddie | forget it bodgit |
| caton | I know I appear the timid, young two-dollar bettor. |
| redransom | scratch pad should have willie tho |
| Pick31 | Forest Camp looked so much better than Dixie Union at Delmar... |
| louise | No dibo I can guarantee that BP is not going to win the Juvenille |
| kelsobug | In a swamp, BP...anything less than that, SBD!!! Can you say 57:2???? |
| YoTambien | Hey - if I can - I'll split a $1 exacta! |
| eddie | im taking my pick six winnings to vegas |
| Arcangues | hello all. anyone else here anoyed at the poor quality field in the classic? |
| KidBeyer | now now...we all started at the $2 buck window |
| horseshoer | Okay time for THE Turf |
| CaptainBodgit | FC and DU will make Chief good odds |
| ron24 | bomb pick of the day charlies beau |
| YoTambien | No - because I think it will be a good race |
| KidBeyer | The winner of the Juvenile Colts' ang Gelding is..... |
| KidBeyer | Forest Camp |
| kelsobug | YOU should talk, Acrie!!! LOL |
| Arcangues | I guess, but there's really no "classic" horses in it |
| Chas | Has Dixie Union shipped yet? |
| caton | I actually remember the $2 window...the real $2 window. |
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| YoTambien | Hey there discovery |
| redransom | except lemon drop kid. if he isnt a classic horse, what is? |
| CaptainBodgit | Chief Seattle- His futurity was his best race, full of run ,nowhere to go |
| YoTambien | An old timer |
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| LadysSecret | hi discovery |
| kelsobug | Sorry, Beyer...Calis have to prove they can run POUTSIDE Cali first...ala Big Jag, et al... |
| horseshoer | don't date yourself Caton . . . .lol |
| CaptainBodgit | I hope the Chief rates like he did in the futurity |
| KidBeyer | 7) BC Turf 1 1/2 miles of bog |
| YoTambien | I remember Blue Chip stamps |
| kelsobug | Caton, Kelso says he remembers separate $2 windows for W/P/S |
| Arcangues | red, I'm referring to the Silver Charms, the Skip Aways and the Cigar type horses. |
| LadysSecret | green stamps are going to be on the web |
| KidBeyer | okay Kelsobug...we'll see |
| eddie | i agree with you kid |
| SalishT | Hell, I remember those too, and I ain't all that OLD! ha ha ha |
| YoTambien | Yeah - but Green Stamps had lousy merchandise |
| redransom | cigar never racedin a classic |
| redransom | skip away never won one |
| caton | If Behrens wins the Classic, will people feel that his victory underscores the lack of quality in the division, or validates the quality of the race? |
| YoTambien | I remember getting a free glass with an 8 gallon fill-up |
| Arcangues | red, what are u talking about? |
| KidBeyer | Skip won 1 |
| redransom | do you know what a classic is? |
| horseracingADM | The classic looks kind of weak to me this year. |
| YoTambien | Caton - I think that depends if the person is East Coast or West Coast |
| SalishT | and plates in laundry detergent? |
| LadysSecret | 3YO classics |
| Arcangues | and Cigar raced in 2 |
| redransom | duh |
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| KidBeyer | BC Classic |
| kelsobug | Classic is a DISTANCE...10F |
| horseshoer | Behrens is a quality horse |
| redransom | a classic is for three year olds -- triple crown race or a derby across the pond |
| kelsobug | 12F in Euro |
| caton | I agree. |
| YoTambien | He is - he's the Skip Away of 99 - gets no respect |
| horseshoer | a horse has to be quality to race like he has all year |
| CaptainBodgit | Behren will fade like Sip and Cigar after long campaigns |
| Chas | I had Skip Away when he won for fun wasn't it at Hollywood? |
| redransom | or south of the equator in some cases |
| CaptainBodgit | Skip |
| kelsobug | Sorry, Red...you're FOS |
| KidBeyer | We're on the BC Turf people....3 turns of Okeefenokee simulation |
| redransom | what? |
| CaptainBodgit | Vals Prince |
| horseracingADM | LOL |
| redransom | you don't know what a classic is i guess |
| horseshoer | lol KB |
| Pick31 | Daylami if it isn't a bog.. |
| KidBeyer | Daylami has been working Gangbusters...must get the left handed turns |
| KidBeyer | unlike Barathea |
| kelsobug | Buck's Boy |
| eddie | you dont have to race in the triple crown to be a great horse |
| Orbit | that's not what red was saying |
| redransom | no, but to be a classic winner you do |
| Arcangues | This years B.C. looks the worst in years (except for the juvie's), thnk g-d I'll be in Vegas for it |
| kelsobug | Love Daylami, but the going... |
| kelsobug | Also Dream Well, but he hasn't WORKED well!! |
| Orbit | a classic is considered here in the us to be the 3 tc races |
| eddie | id rather win the b.c. classic |
| CaptainBodgit | Vals Prince got a huge trainer switch 2 back |
| redransom | not a classic race though |
| CaptainBodgit | Plus he likes it soft |
| redransom | despite how much we love it |
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| KidBeyer | Va; |
| YoTambien | Dman! |
| redransom | hi dman |
| Dman | Hey |
| LadysSecret | hi Dman! |
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| YoTambien | You just missed glenners |
| horseracingADM | Hi dman |
| Orbit | hi hd |
| kelsobug | Hiya, D-man!! |
| LadysSecret | hcper! |
| YoTambien | Hey hdcper! |
| redransom | hdcper! |
| CaptainBodgit | Bucks Boy is still a treat at a better price |
| kelsobug | Hiya, hdcpr! |
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| discovery | Type HEREHello Dman! |
| eddie | well the last several horses of the year never won a classic |
| YoTambien | Dman - did you get my e-mail on the DRF banner? |
| hdcper | hi yo |
| Dman | which half of kelsobug is that? |
| hdcper | hi ladys |
| redransom | hi ap |
| louise | I would love to see Buck's boy win again |
| hdcper | hi red |
| horseshoer | okay, okay we are on a tangent here, lets concentrate on the Turf |
| redransom | except skip away? |
| ovals | caton if you want to interview Bailey thursday he will be playing 36 holes of golf with Gary Young |
| hdcper | hi to the world of racing |
| APIndy | Hi red! |
| LadysSecret | hi AP |
| kelsobug | Both!!LOL |
| Trempolino | How accurate are workouts in the larger scheme of things? I mean we see horses work bullets and flop in the afternoon and we see slow workers that blow fields away.......can't read too much into workouts |
| eddie | he didnt win a classic |
| ovals | hi capper |
| RockSand | My tri box - Val, dark Moondancer and First Magnitude |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi handi |
| eddie | triple crown race i mean |
| Dman | Yo - got it... I actually had changed those a while ago, but changed them to the wrong addres! AARGH! |
| APIndy | Hi everyone |
| redransom | true |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi AP |
| KidBeyer | Val's Prince and Chop Chop will try to remain undefeated for James 007 Bond |
| Dman | yo - gonna change them again |
| kelsobug | All comes down to who can row fastest... |
| hdcper | hi ovals |
| YoTambien | The DRF runs the Exceller banner as filler - but has the old URL and e-mail.. Don't know how many might have tried to e-mail |
| CaptainBodgit | I like Val- but not if he is overbet |
| caton | Liked Yagli very much until we moved to bogland. Now I'm intrigued by Single Empire. |
| YoTambien | Barbara's not optomistic that they'll update it though |
| ovals | hanger = single empire |
| Dman | yep |
| kelsobug | Yagli won't like it at ALL!! |
| horseshoer | Honor Glide? |
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| kelsobug | Hanger--->Hawksley Hill! |
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| redransom | hi ss |
| RockSand | hope they clear the alligators off the course before start |
| hdcper | Hi ss |
| SecretSilence | Holy Bull!!!! |
| discovery | There will definately be more pace in the turf, especially if Courtious gets in |
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| caton | Seemed like he didn't hang as much with Desormeaux and at a mile and a half. |
| Dman | Caton - what do you think of Vision and Verse? I think he's a live longshot |
| YoTambien | Is that cully or Scully? |
| LadysSecret | hi ss, cully, mm |
| APIndy | Secret! |
| CaptainBodgit | Bucks Boy ran great in the bog at Belmont last year |
| SecretSilence | What's going on? |
| cali | hey cully |
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| kelsobug | V&V is in love with LDK... |
| Dman | yup |
| kelsobug | Where one goes, the other follows...usually... |
| APIndy | Hi Emily! I just got here after being away for a month! |
| cully | Type HEREno s, you tambien |
| mightymouse | Type HERE hi cullybully |
| CaptainBodgit | Honor Glide and Yagli will be hurt by the bog |
| caton | agreed. |
| YoTambien | Okay - different person then |
| horseshoer | Okay Caton your pick for the Turf? |
| Trempolino | When is the rain supposed to stop? |
| cully | hello mightymouise |
| kelsobug | 40 days/40 nights... |
| LadysSecret | lol |
| redransom | by thursday |
| kelsobug | except it's 14 by 14... |
| cali | mm is merc culy lol |
| redransom | two more days of rain |
| kelsobug | instead of 2 by 2 |
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| cully | was tuff to guess cali |
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| mightymouse | the ants go marching two by two.... |
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| kelsobug | BOING!!! |
| Trempolino | Do you think if it's raining thru Wednesday that Daylami will go in the Classic? |
| CaptainBodgit | The turf will be ok I think just soft or yeilding |
| cali | lol i had a tought time guessing to |
| horseracingADM | You may have a point there Tremp. |
| cali | too even |
| Tex1 | More like soft to heavy |
| kelsobug | ====[+]===== SEATBELT FOR KID BEYER!!! |
| CaptainBodgit | Maybe he should Tremp |
| kelsobug | Bug says it keeps raining, the Euros ROMP |
| KidBeyer | this is also a 3 turn race but UNLIKE the BC FILLY TURF is 1 1/2 miles compared to 1 3/8. First turn is longer |
| Trempolino | Why ship acroos the Atlantic to run again in "Arc-like" conditions.....? |
| YoTambien | Well - it's time to help my daughter with the math homework.... Night all! Nice chatting caton - Perhaps I'll see you at Santa Anita or Holly? |
| redransom | nite yo |
| Orbit | night yo |
| LadysSecret | nite yo |
| horseracingADM | nite yo |
| kelsobug | Nighters, Yo!! |
| mightymouse | night yo |
| SalishT | Bye Yo! I have to help with math all the time too! |
| Trempolino | Nite YoT |
| horseshoer | cya yo |
| CaptainBodgit | bye |
| KidBeyer | Thanks Kelsobug...I'm not immune to punting...feels like AOL all over again |
| hdcper | nite yo |
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| caton | hope so. good night, yo t. |
| ron24 | will dream well run or wait for the japan cup? |
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| caton | i think he'll run. |
| kelsobug | Gotta get a Terminator, Kid... |
| cully | dream well is well served to have soft go of it |
| horseshoer | So Caton your pick for th Turf? |
| kelsobug | Too soft, DreamWell stays in his stall |
| KidBeyer | Yagli...has had 2 THROW out races... Mott always primed for BC off layoff...see Escena |
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| caton | single empitre |
| CaptainBodgit | Fahris can hit the board at a big # |
| KidBeyer | I pick Yagli (if Daylami doesn't make Left handed turns) |
| kelsobug | Gotta love Fahris...always there |
| horseshoer | Wow how did you pick that horse? |
| RockSand | What does gf and gs mean in Euro track condition? |
| redransom | toss out in the soggy bog |
| cully | what did he run in at New York last year...a straightaway??? |
| CaptainBodgit | If Fahris is over 20-1 gotta use him |
| ovals | fahris won his last off a slow pace |
| Tex1 | Daylami likes left handed courses. LH at Belmont and also at Leopardstown. |
| RockSand | Fahris will be better if Sellers on him - is he? |
| Tex1 | gf = good to firm. gs = good to soft |
| kelsobug | DreamWell won the Irish Darby (G1) by 4.5 lengths on the soft turf... |
| kelsobug | I may be wrong about him staying home |
| KidBeyer | Good observation Tex1 |
| RockSand | thanks Tex |
| redransom | tex to the rescue |
| KidBeyer | 8) 1999 BC Classic....... 8) The 1999 BC Classic...... |
| Tex1 | :-) |
| kelsobug | Has won others...and hit the board too on soft... |
| CaptainBodgit | Vals Prince will make ammends for his last BC |
| horseracingADM | Tex likes turf races best. :-) |
| KidBeyer | oops I heard and echo..echo |
| caton | I do like Single Empire--live longshot |
| KidBeyer | Behrens at 9-5...Unbettable |
| horseshoer | gotta like a longshot |
| kelsobug | Didn't workwell today...report from BRIS was unimpressive |
| redransom | not anymore ,.... |
| cully | guess I am the only one in here who will have an all euro trifecta box |
| CaptainBodgit | Vals beat Single, caton |
| cully | this is a miserable US Turf group |
| KidBeyer | CullyCat da man |
| kelsobug | CAT THIEF???? |
| kelsobug | OMG... |
| caton | not with Desormeaux--also, Val's past his peak--Single's just getting there. |
| kelsobug | he's so tired he'll fall asleep in the GATE!!! |
| KidBeyer | CATienus NOT CATon's pick |
| ron24 | any knocks on dark moondancer |
| KidBeyer | nor is CAT Thief |
| ovals | how has mo been riding since breaking his wrist |
| cully | Single is eitehr messed up or teh most likely American runner to hit baord...wish I knew what Drysdale knew |
| kelsobug | LOLOL!!! How are Catienus' feet? |
| RockSand | I like Moondancer |
| horseracingADM | FYI - the Melbourne Cup is about to start now if anyone wants to listen online. |
| horseracingADM | I have links to the audio at http://horseracing.about.com/msubmel.htm |
| caton | we all wish we knew what Drysdale knows! |
| kelsobug | Moondancer appreciated here too |
| CaptainBodgit | Well if Single wins I lose |
| Tex1 | Melbourne Cup is loading into the gate |
| KidBeyer | Catienus is Grade 2 material. |
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| horseshoer | Are we on the Classic now? |
| KidBeyer | ya Ya : ) |
| kelsobug | Classic belongs to LDK |
| caton | what about Bud--I liked him, but heard his work was poor at Gulfstream. |
| CaptainBodgit | Moondancer is an Italian |
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| kelsobug | W/B Dman! |
| Dman | hehe |
| Dman | switching puters |
| KidBeyer | Lemon Drop Kid Always works well at Gulfstream and is a potential Horse for Course |
| discovery | Lemon drop kid Hopefully at over 7-1 |
| louise | from the way he is working out the Classic's is Gen Challenge's to lose |
| horseshoer | I agree with LDK |
| kelsobug | Doubtful 7/1 |
| Dman | I'll take Vision and Verse at 20-1 before LDK at 7-1 |
| CaptainBodgit | General seems posied to run big |
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| KidBeyer | Ecton Park got a beautiful trip in the Lose E Anna Derby ; ) 3yo faces elders |
| redransom | uh behrens hasnt exactly run crappy over that strip |
| kelsobug | GC gotta prove he can run outside of Cali, get eyeballed and STILL win |
| discovery | When the General wins in a big field, my money won't be on him |
| CaptainBodgit | I like the General- I just hope he'll be 7-2 |
| horseshoer | Caton , do you think the General will handle the turns, traffic, and shipping? |
| KidBeyer | The Handicap ranks are depleted...3yo's ready to pounce |
| mightymouse | i hope GC runs well |
| CaptainBodgit | I think Behrens will flop like Skip Away last year |
| WeekendStorm | I thought V & V was out? |
| caton | yes--I think he already has, if his work is any indication. He's really grown up, and surprised me in the process. |
| kelsobug | Good...more of your money he takes, the more the win pool will be |
| redransom | over a track he loves? |
| cully | Behrens & Skippy have little to compare |
| Dman | The handicap ranks were depleted in 97 too except for one horse... methinks Behrens could whop the youngsters a la Skip Away |
| redransom | skippy hated CD. big difference |
| kelsobug | LDK |
| kelsobug | Ecton Park a possible in the slop |
| CaptainBodgit | Is Old Trieste in or out? |
| cully | I love when all these people throw in these other names...Behrens & GC towere over thsi field |
| kelsobug | Hey, let's leave the studs in the BARN and lookj at the RACERS...OK? |
| KidBeyer | Behrens's Taxing Whitney with Victory Gallop has left him with nothing for the Fall |
| redransom | behrens likes that track and has shipped successfully from payson before |
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| cully | one may not firem, but to think someone else can win is foolhearty |
| discovery | last i hard the foot was fine on O T |
| LadysSecret | wb glenners |
| Tex1 | hey Glenners |
| kelsobug | Hiya, Glenners!! |
| hdcper | hi glenners |
| redransom | taxing? every six weeks? |
| CaptainBodgit | How about River Keens foot? |
| caton | I'm not convinced Behrens loves Gulfstream--most of his numbers from there don't compare to his other races, and who did he beat in Florida, other than Sir Bear? |
| Dman | I'll take $10/win on Behrens and $4 on V&V as a flyer |
| redransom | who has also run well at GP |
| SalishT | I like General Challenge, myself |
| redransom | a grade 1 winner himself |
| mightymouse | me too, salish |
| redransom | multiple |
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| cully | Go Godolphin |
| KidBeyer | General Challenge Always works well for Baffert but has to FIRE outside of San Gabriel mountains |
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| cully | Central Park setting teh pace!!! |
| horseshoer | do you think that Behrens maybe off form Caton? |
| redransom | what about royal anthem? |
| Dman | Sir Bear isn't that bad of a horse, though |
| CaptainBodgit | Anybody know how River is doing? Caton? |
| ron24 | 3yr old exacta box here ep with gc |
| redransom | anyone anyone |
| kelsobug | AGREE!!! Kid Beyer!! |
| Tex1 | Cindy said she's trying to get back in here |
| WeekendStorm | Didn't River Keen have a good work this morning? |
| mightymouse | is GC going to be badly affected by change from CA to FL? |
| kelsobug | Interview with blacksmith today on Inside...said hoof is fine, still sewn up with wire...big piece on what it was like around JCGC toime... |
| KidBeyer | GMTA Kelsobug! :D |
| RockSand | Locked out of her own house!! |
| glenners | you know i also agree with that about the general |
| caton | No--Sir Bear is a nice horse. But he was the only one in the field that Behrens beat. I've been a Behrens fan all along, and I think Bond has done a great job with him. Hard to believe he could stick exactly to a plan for so long, though. |
| kelsobug | infection went all the way to the heel... |
| CaptainBodgit | I like an all Baffert exacta- If River is ready |
| hdcper | the classic maybe a jockey race, in fact Chris M has won 3 times, Pat Day twice, and Jerry Bailey four times |
| CaptainBodgit | Baffert loves to do the 1-2 thing |
| mightymouse | yeah |
| kelsobug | River Keen has glue on shoes now |
| LadysSecret | Thought that was OT? |
| KidBeyer | Sir Bear's claim to fame is perfect setups in 1 turn NY miles. Not the greatest HANDICAP horse Grade 1 |
| Dman | Yeah, horses that are hot early in the year usually aren't hot late, but since Behrens is so lightly raced I think he could have stayed fresh |
| cully | Central Park was dead game.... |
| kelsobug | Showed a pic of hoof without shoe...absolutely FLAT heel |
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| cully | 16th a mile of short |
| cully | darn |
| hdcper | in addition from thoses nine wins only one was a front runner type Black Tie Affair |
| kelsobug | very ugly hoof, big gouge in the side where they cut it away |
| mightymouse | falt heel is bad, right? |
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| mightymouse | hi rk! |
| kelsobug | Lady's Secret...BOTH do |
| CaptainBodgit | River Keen at 12-1 was a gift last time |
| caton | Is Bailey still riding Almutawakel? |
| kelsobug | flat heel is VERY bad |
| redransom | one wears plastic shoes |
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| mightymouse | k |
| KidBeyer | Baffert's River Keen and General Challene will be UNCOUPLED for wagering purposes |
| LadysSecret | ah, I need to go back to that farrier's forum I found |
| redransom | different owners |
| kelsobug | Smith also talked about RK's running style...said he always has heat in hind hoofs...fronts are cold |
| horseshoer | flat heel is bad |
| louise | no coupled wagering in the BC |
| KidBeyer | Gulfstream has waived Entries |
| mightymouse | what kind of damage does it do? |
| kelsobug | No coupled entries or field horses in ANY BC race |
| redransom | they wouldnt be coupled anyway |
| horseshoer | but you can do many things with feet now, that were not possible in the past |
| CaptainBodgit | I think that was a great move by the BC- no couples |
| KidBeyer | Agree Captain |
| APIndy | Yes, flat heel is bad, but racehorses are trimmed short in the heel anyway |
| discovery | It's great that everybody will be uncoupled on BC Day. Of course Awesome Again saved my you know what last year |
| cully | I don't |
| cully | bad precedent |
| mightymouse | my farrier trims my horse's hooves like a racers...hadda switch |
| horseshoer | true, and keen has one of the best taking care of him |
| APIndy | yes! |
| redransom | they dont couple by trainers in florida, do they caton? i cant remember |
| CaptainBodgit | I loved V V at 14-1 in Travers |
| mightymouse | that would be ex-farrier |
| KidBeyer | Everyone's pick in the BC Classic is ............. |
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| redransom | Behrens |
| KidBeyer | General Challenge |
| CaptainBodgit | General Challenge |
| discovery | LDK |
| cully | cold box kid, Beh & GC |
| Dman | Behrens/V&V exacta |
| mightymouse | General Challenge |
| Tex1 | Melbourne Cup -- dead heat for third |
| caton | no--no trainer couples necessariy |
| kelsobug | sorry cully I disagree |
| SecretSilence | General Challenge |
| Orbit | who won tex? |
| CaptainBodgit | GC- But V V for value |
| LadysSecret | Behrens |
| redransom | thats what i thought, not that it matters in this case |
| mightymouse | behrens second |
| horseshoer | Okay Caton, your Classic pick please . . . . . . |
| caton | I'm thinking Almutawakel, if Bailey's riding him. |
| kelsobug | You GO girl!!! |
| CaptainBodgit | I heard his WOs were poor |
| Dman | there isn't anyone crazy like Social Charter or Da Devil going in the Classic is there?? |
| redransom | he is part of my exacta - box, of course |
| Tex1 | Rogan Josh first, Central Park second |
| kelsobug | (K) Al has been training awful |
| louise | Tex1 who won the Melbourne |
| discovery | I think Bailey's still on Almutawakel |
| KidBeyer | Almutawakel? The Sheik's have yet to win a big stake on US soil |
| cully | Rogan Josh |
| kelsobug | (E) still the hot horse and proven...can do it all. |
| louise | thanks |
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| horseshoer | will track condition change your mind Caton? |
| redransom | the will win a stakes soon, if not this one |
| redransom | they |
| CaptainBodgit | Alm has been working very slowly |
| LadysSecret | yes, but what has the trainer been asking for? |
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| caton | If the main track' |
| CaptainBodgit | Swain shouldve won last year |
| redransom | they dont put as much emphasis on works like we do |
| kelsobug | (E) will wait for the draw to finalize picks |
| KidBeyer | The Dubai win for Almutawakel was SETUP with Sheik's horses ganging up on US stock |
| horseshoer | will post postion change your mind, Caton? |
| caton | s not fast, or if reports to continue to come in that Al's doing poorly, my mind might change. yes. |
| KidBeyer | These are not Maleks of the work |
| redransom | what about his second in the woodward? |
| kelsobug | Gotta disagree there, Beyer... |
| caton | Post position, too. I don't want to be on the outside. |
| redransom | was that a setup too? |
| KidBeyer | disagree specifically about? |
| kelsobug | First lifetime start in the STINKING SLOP??? |
| CaptainBodgit | Swain was much the best last year |
| Trempolino | ROGAN JOSH TAKES THE MELBOURNE CUP-G1....CENTRAL PARK 2ND after leading almost the whole 2 miles... |
| mightymouse | i'm gonna go...night all! |
| horseshoer | Who woould be your second choice Caton? |
| redransom | so what? |
| kelsobug | Sheik's horses ganging up on ours... |
| WeekendStorm | Nite MM |
| redransom | it was a good race |
| kelsobug | we just didn't have the juice |
| LadysSecret | nite mm |
| redransom | he ran great in the woodward |
| CaptainBodgit | CYA mm |
| caton | Unless he's getting paid well (and that's very possible), I don't think Bailey would have stuck with Al if he didn't like something about him. |
| kelsobug | No LASIX!!! |
| KidBeyer | The Sheiks had practically half of all the horses in the Dubai World Cup...they practiced together ; ) |
| redransom | so they cant use lasix over there anyway |
| kelsobug | Agree, Caton! |
| Dman | heh, they ran plays |
| kelsobug | Exactly, Red...my6 point |
| redransom | what does that have to do with his great performance in the woodward |
| KidBeyer | Almutawakel showed NO improvement in 2nd stateside start. Tuff 2 back |
| redransom | in the slop |
| kelsobug | OK, nighters all...see ya at the windows!! |
| redransom | throw it out, especially if GP has a fast track |
| redransom | nite |
| cully | I still don't get why everyone thinks that teh NY horses have a chance...just because Behrens got beat last time???? |
| caton | Otherwise, my second choice--on fast track--is likely River Keen. Bob wouldn't bother bringing him in if the foot wasn't right. |
| WeekendStorm | Nite kb |
| Dman | see ya kelsobug |
| cully | If that horse is right, nothing can touch him except GC off of his Pacific Classic |
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| Dman | yeah, RK could end up being the overlooked horse here |
| CaptainBodgit | I think Fridays races will have to be watched carefully to see how the track is playing |
| redransom | id like to see that horse win -- year of the claimer and all |
| Tex1 | Cindy wishes to apologize profusely for her absense. |
| KidBeyer | now you're talking Caton...River Keen or the General ; ) |
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| KidBeyer | nite Weekend Storm |
| CaptainBodgit | River Keen got gut |
| CaptainBodgit | guts |
| horseshoer | River Keen over the General, Caton? |
| CaptainBodgit | He might be 6-1 also |
| redransom | i was thinking for a sec he colicked or something! |
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| WeekendStorm | I'm not going, Kid - but thanks anyway |
| ovals | either the year of the claimer or Antley's year |
| KidBeyer | LOL it was Kelso bug...I gotcha ; ) |
| CaptainBodgit | Budroyale is a tough horse too |
| redransom | exactly |
| caton | Yes, I think so. Just because I can never quite get a handle on General, but I really have liked River Keen for awhile. |
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| KidBeyer | Let's talk about TVG for a minute |
| caton | sure. |
| CaptainBodgit | 12-1 on River was sweet last time |
| Pick31 | Nite all..Thanks caton |
| redransom | nite |
| cully | TVGeez, what are they doing????? |
| caton | good luck on Saturday. |
| Pick31 | Good luck on Saturday..everyone.. |
| RockSand | If Bud runs up to his Lollywood Gold cup race - he will be tough and he is 5 for 5 on off track |
| horseshoer | If you were going to pick a Jockey to win more thatn one race who would it be, Caton? |
| CaptainBodgit | cya 31 |
| Dman | What's the scoop with TVG, Caton? Do you have to order it through DirecTV or something? |
| KidBeyer | Television Games network....why the SLOW progress on National exposure |
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| CaptainBodgit | I wish they had TVG on DVD |
| Tex1 | Hey Sharpie! |
| Dman | Sharpie!! |
| LadysSecret | Hi Sharpie |
| Orbit | hi sharpie |
| redransom | hi sharpie |
| SecretSilence | Hey Sharpie! |
| discovery | hi sharp |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi SC |
| glenners | hi sharp |
| hdcper | hi sharpie |
| caton | Let's start with where we are now---on c-band sattelite, and on Kentucky cable. As far as I know, that it, and at this point, you can't "order" it. |
| LadysSecret | Is TVG only going to be on in the states that can bet? |
| WeekendStorm | Hi Sharpie! |
| Dman | oh ok |
| SharpCat | hi guys!!! |
| hdcper | hey glenners any info on the forms new free software |
| cully | and at certain tracks... |
| KidBeyer | What' if us NJ guys and gals want to see the Caton/Schrup show....do we need to subscribe? |
| cully | Delaware aired TVG on a channle last weekend |
| CaptainBodgit | I dont like Youbet- Too hard to get your money out |
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| caton | The game plan is to get TVG on assorted cable channels as well as (hopefully) Direct TV. At least that's what I believe to be the strategy. |
| LadysSecret | wb Cindy |
| redransom | wb cindy |
| Tex1 | Hey Cindy! Glad to finally get you back |
| Cindy | Finally! |
| Orbit | wb cindy |
| hdcper | hi Cindy |
| WeekendStorm | Caton, I was in Louisville this past weekend - watched a bit of it .... have some comments if you'd like to hear them? |
| CaptainBodgit | Hi Cindy |
| Cindy | I was starting to feel persecuted. |
| redransom | i have a tvg question |
| KidBeyer | Locked out at 50 Cindy? |
| caton | Yes--always want constructive criticism. |
| CaptainBodgit | That would be great if they got it on cable or DVD |
| KidBeyer | I feel....that unless TVG shows FULL cards...this won't appeal to me |
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| caton | And as to where we'll go when (states where this is not yet legal) I'm not really qualified to answer. |
| LadysSecret | hi TS |
| cully | Central Park was a big price in US I think |
| redransom | how successful does fox think it is? and are they in it for the long haul? i would hate to see them abandon ship if it isnt as quick out of the gate as they hoped. |
| Cindy | No, my cable ISP died and I had to dial in via AOL and it didn't want to let me connect to here. |
| WeekendStorm | Well, I first turned it on late at night - obviously only replays - that was ok ...... |
| WeekendStorm | but then, turned it on right before the 1st races began on Sunday at Aqueduct and opening day at CD |
| KidBeyer | The exclusivity arrangement with TVG hampers maximum national exposure IMHO |
| caton | I'm really not privvy to FOX's upper level--I believe, since they're doing six racing shows on the "big" FOX network (not FOX Net), that they're still interested in the sport. |
| CaptainBodgit | Who won the Ack Ack at CD? |
| caton | Littlebitlively? |
| TsunamiSlew | Did Vic Stauffer play Lerch on The Munsters? |
| CaptainBodgit | I missed it |
| KidBeyer | Lurch was on the Addams Family |
| caton | The original or the movie remake? |
| CaptainBodgit | thanx |
| TsunamiSlew | right |
| redransom | i agree they stepped up to the plate in a big way. but i am still -- wait! that was a good one caton |
| LadysSecret | lol |
| WeekendStorm | Littlebitlievely in record time |
| WeekendStorm | and that was good, caton! |
| KidBeyer | Rick Baedekker's departure at TVG will or won't affect it's philosophy? |
| APIndy | Where did Tactical Cat finish? |
| Orbit | yeah, borel had 5 winners yesterday |
| KidBeyer | 3rd Tactical Cat |
| WeekendStorm | 3rd, i think |
| TsunamiSlew | Doug Donn and Rick Baedekker must be the only 2 people in the racing industry that Vic hasn't stuck for $$ |
| redransom | anyway, i am concerned abour how much time they have given to show more interest in the sport. its a good product. |
| redransom | i would hate to see it go too early |
| caton | I don't think Rick's going will change our philosophy, as Churchill has been a big supporter of TVG's. |
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| WeekendStorm | Anyway, on the Sunday show ...... |
| Orbit | here in ky, does the cable company have to pick it up or do we have to subscribe? |
| WeekendStorm | I can't remember her name - the lady that speaks with an English accent? |
| KidBeyer | I was surprised to see the NY racing and Wagering Board will outlaw The TVG Oregon hub...as unconstitutional |
| caton | shame on you, T.Slew--I believe it's illegal to discuss someone's financial faux pax, even if we are on the internet. |
| TsunamiSlew | it's all heresay |
| caton | Claudia. |
| redransom | no slamming when they arent here to defend themselves, at least with this many people in here |
| KidBeyer | only a handful of us are chatting. |
| Orbit | anyone? |
| WeekendStorm | that's it - I liked her - BUT - she and the other guy talked all over the post parade, if you know what I mean ...... |
| LadysSecret | ? |
| glenners | yes |
| ovals | caton, 1.25% of the TVG betting handle goes to the state of Oregon. Will those monies be used for the Portland meadows purse fund |
| redransom | many are reading though, maybe rick and doug themselves |
| cully | PM & Dogs |
| caton | Vic is a fellow TVG co-worker, and seriously, i will never knock anyone I work with. |
| TsunamiSlew | you shouldn't |
| KidBeyer | I want to know WHY Oregon, of all places was selected to be the TVG national hub? |
| Cindy | Doesn't pay to do that. Comes back to haunt you. |
| redransom | yes it does |
| TsunamiSlew | Right....you never know when you'll need Vic to get you a job, Caton |
| CaptainBodgit | Caton, Do you think its time that the triple crown races be more spread out? It would be good for the game and the horses |
| TsunamiSlew | lol |
| WeekendStorm | I'm not knocking anyone either - just offering views of what I saw - a little constructive criticism? |
| caton | lol. |
| KidBeyer | Is that you Walter Parker? |
| glenners | you go ws |
| Trempolino | Well I like everything about TVG and if the "hard-nosed handicappers" and "old-timers" feel the show is "too alternative" in its approach-------I say Change is good! The idea is to draw new people to the game and this is the new millenium----the loyalists aren't going to disappear because of TVG... |
| WeekendStorm | Agreed, Tremp! |
| KidBeyer | TVG's best approach is to to the route of MSNBC format. But show us FULL CARDS! |
| Orbit | ws, how did you get to see it up in l-ville? |
| TsunamiSlew | TVG does a good job as a whole |
| Trempolino | ...not that any of you are old....... |
| WeekendStorm | I'm not coming across right |
| Cindy | We do need fresh blood badly. The existing fan base isn't getting any younger. |
| cully | yeah, but if it is TVG that has an embargo on teh most popular signals for their experiment, then teh chance of getting them in a format |
| caton | As to the criticism--you're certainly right to have an opinion. I think you'll see that each team of announcers has a different approach to post parade, replay, etc. I can only really comment on how I do the post parades. But I'll pass along your comments to Claudia. |
| redransom | well i am, with the help of bleach! |
| redransom | hehe |
| cully | which meets teh needs of teh revenue producing bettors won't happen |
| LadysSecret | Cindy the fan base has always been older |
| LadysSecret | they are the ones with the time and money to go to the track regularly |
| TsunamiSlew | I thik TVG is great, but Claudia doesn't seem to have any clue about racing |
| TsunamiSlew | thinlk' |
| TsunamiSlew | thinl |
| TsunamiSlew | thinkl |
| caton | five's a charm |
| TsunamiSlew | whatever |
| Cindy | Yes but we need to get more young people interested. They eventually get older and have money. |
| TsunamiSlew | I give up |
| KidBeyer | So what will it take for TVG to be added on to a cable system such as Time-Warner? |
| SalishT | Ahh, hell, I hate to say this but I think that Gary & Caton are about the only things good about TVG -- and I'm REALLY sorry for that! They need more horsey folks on the whole thing! |
| Dman | I've actually been pleasantly surprised going to River Downs this summer and seeing so many young people there |
| caton | the original idea was to mix "experienced" racing talent with new talent from the outside world--outside of racing. |
| redransom | frank lyons cracks me up |
| WeekendStorm | Orbit - it is broadcast up there - thought you had it in Lexington now? |
| CaptainBodgit | Caton, Do you think its time that its time for the Triple Crown races to be more spread out? It would be good for the game and the horses |
| Orbit | nope |
| Orbit | so it's part of the package up there ws? |
| LadysSecret | Caton, Great Communicator says great pick last year with Touch Gold |
| caton | I'm not convinced it would be better for the horses--I'm not saying it wouldn't be, I'm just saying I need more proof one way or the other. |
| KidBeyer | It makes too much sense Captain...so they'll probably leave the Triple Crown alone...tradition they call it. |
| WeekendStorm | bummer - it's the wave of the future ...... Wish I had it here! |
| CaptainBodgit | I think it would keep the TC in the spotlight much longer- and thats what it needs |
| ovals | why spread it out - the winner of the melbourne cup won at 10 furlongs on saturday |
| LadysSecret | Uh oh, I may need to change my classic pick ;-) |
| Trempolino | Caton......out of curiosity, is there a scheduling scramble with all the other hosts to request working with you on those given times/days?........just kidding....but me you are the leader of the pack |
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| TsunamiSlew | Who is the TVG anchorman that works at night......looks kinda older than the others and has grayish, wavy hair and a light voice? |
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| KidBeyer | I'd much rather see the Derby have a 14 horse limit...to many poor longshots win by default. ..Lil E Tee. etc. |
| LadysSecret | Hi Brilliance |
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| Brilliance | HELLLLLLOOOOOOO |
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| LadysSecret | Behrens is a single on the pick6 |
| caton | Seriously, I appreciate the feedback on TVG. I know you can never please all of the people, but it's interesting to hear what people think. Also, I appreciate the nice words. The nightime guy you're talking about, I think, if Fred Cogan--an assistant to Bobby Frankel. |
| CaptainBodgit | How would Golfers feel if they had to play all the Majors in 2 months? Same thing |
| Cindy | Hi Brilliance |
| redransom | hi brilliance |
| SharpCat | HI BRILLY |
| LadysSecret | BOOK IT |
| WeekendStorm | Kid - the Derby won't change that field limit ...... |
| Tex1 | Greetings Brilliance... |
| redransom | i personally think you all do a fine job, i would have hated to be in your position at the start. meeting everyone's expectations |
| KidBeyer | I know it WeekendStorm...we'll have to suffer with 2nd rate winners such as Sea Hero, Lil E Tee, Go For Gin |
| caton | Also, Fred hadn't done a single thing on TV prior to his work on TVG which started in September. |
| WeekendStorm | Kid - 2nd rate winners? |
| Trempolino | Someone probably said this already, but Caton did a GREAT job covering the Arc for TVG! |
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| LadysSecret | wb glenners |
| WeekendStorm | Yes she did, Tremp! |
| Cindy | I wish I could get TVG. We will never have it down here. |
| CaptainBodgit | Racing is too stuck on tradition- They need to move foward and not stand still |
| WeekendStorm | wb, Glenners! |
| Glenners | thanks |
| caton | thanks. that was a once in a lifetime experience. I'm hopeful we'll be doing more of the international telecasts in the future. |
| Cindy | Damned Baptists. :-( |
| LadysSecret | Same up here Cindy |
| Glenners | lol |
| KidBeyer | Yeah ...I dont' think those Derby Winners stacked up with the 3yo or the Grade 1 Handicappers of their generations |
| Cindy | They won't even let us have a stinking lottery. |
| Orbit | geez, look where I live and we don't have it either |
| Glenners | almost the same here |
| Trempolino | I was so grateful to get that coverage |
| Glenners | almost |
| LadysSecret | Who cares about lottery - we only have gambling that pulls in out-of-staters |
| ovals | caton, will TVG cover the Japan Cup live? |
| Cindy | Anything would be an improvement here. |
| caton | you'll certainly get no argument from me as to racing being stuck in tradition...I don't think that's a reason not to change the triple crown. But I do wonder what it would mean in terms of television coverage, weather, the racing season for three-year-olds, etc. |
| redransom | hey, you have alabama football! |
| CaptainBodgit | Nobody blamed the NBA for adding the 3 point line- |
| hdcper | glenners any info on DRF new free software |
| caton | As to Japan Cup, I don't know at this time. I know we had hoped to do the Melbourne Cup, but there were some complications involving the rights. |
| Glenners | change the triple crown, what |
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| WeekendStorm | no way! |
| Brilliance | This is soooooo busy |
| Glenners | you can't do that |
| KidBeyer | Q: Is TVG going to give us a sneak preview...ala TRN.com? |
| CaptainBodgit | You want the BEST facing the BEST- and that cant happing in 5 weeks |
| LadysSecret | But it has |
| KidBeyer | On the web...with RealPlayer. |
| caton | I don't think so. For all intents and purposes, the goal of TVG is to be free and available to as many markets as possible and allowable. |
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| caton | The show, I mean. Now, if you're referring to a sneak preview of the wagering, I don't know about that. |
| Trempolino | Derby=6f on Turf, Preakness=2 miles(dirt) and Belmont=12f right-handed run |
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| KidBeyer | So TVG should not be an extra PAY channel on a Time Warner cable system |
| CaptainBodgit | I'm not talking about changing the distances Tremp- Just the timing |
| Trempolino | lol |
| WeekendStorm | HAHAHAHA! Tremp! You're so funny! |
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| Orbit | hi blu, bill |
| redransom | hi |
| blu | Evenin' ya'll! |
| WeekendStorm | Nope - guess I'm a traditionalist - can't change the timing - what would that do the previous runnings? |
| LadysSecret | Hi blu, bill |
| KidBeyer | How about the NTRA's vested interest in TVG? Pro or Con? |
| caton | one thing you have to understand about TVG--our goal is to bring racing to a general audience and hopefully, eventually turn them in to bettors. In the process, we don't want to alienate existing bettors or tick off politicians or anit-gambling establishments. But we're also competing with off-shore wagering entities. That's partly where exclusivity becomes such a big issue. |
| WeekendStorm | Hi blu and bill |
| Dman | What if you changed the timing and suddenly about 4 horses in a row won the TC |
| CaptainBodgit | It would make sure that to be the BEST you have to beat the BEST |
| Cindy | That is quite a tightrope to walk. |
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| KidBeyer | only 4 horses? |
| Trempolino | Melbourne Cup had 24 runners, look at Supreme Sound's PP's----38 horse fields...can you imagine the Derby over 20? |
| redransom | some things welcome change, others dont. |
| redransom | all depends on what were changing |
| RockSand | If it ain't broke - don't fix it!! |
| caton | For people who are upset about losing Oak Tree's Realplayer signal, keep in mind that those internet signals are what offshore betting operations often depend upon. |
| Glenners | i'm out of here, later everyone |
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| Orbit | see ya g |
| Trempolino | Night G |
| redransom | nite |
| CaptainBodgit | Cya |
| SharpCat | night |
| WeekendStorm | That's a good point, Caton, thanks |
| caton | I understand why race fans and players don't want to lose accesability. But that's what TVG is all about. It's just going to take time. |
| LadysSecret | nite glenners |
| WeekendStorm | Nite Glenners! |
| KidBeyer | you're avoiding typing Philadelphia Park's Phonebet/ Penn National Telebet/ Ladbrokes etc/ |
| redransom | the fact that we have some access to tvg is a blessing |
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| ovals | caton, for those of us who have seen little of TVG what is the best way to get a glimpse? |
| blu | Not sure of protocol here or what has been asked, but I agree that TVG is wonderful! Now if I could just get it at home! |
| KidBeyer | I think MOST of us US horseplayers are Patriotic enough NOT to do business with offshore companies. Most fears are unwarranted |
| blu | Go to KEE and turn to channel 31! |
| redransom | it will come, it just takes time |
| caton | I truly don't view them--or UBET--or any of the other "competitors" as as much of a threat as all the offshore setups, where U.S. laws don't necessarily apply and no one in racing that's putting on the show makes a dime. |
| Brilliance | What do ya'll think of Millencolin? |
| CaptainBodgit | Pass on him |
| blu | That's another positive for TVG, revenue sharing. Great concept |
| redransom | looked good at kee, ran flat |
| caton | I'm sure that's true of all of you. But if you're a serious, big player, and you get more money back through off-shore wagering, isn't that where you go? |
| Dman | the best looking horse by miles in the paddock for the juvenile will be Personal First |
| redransom | i would if i had any money! |
| LadysSecret | off-shore places give rebates too |
| hdcper | nite all |
| KidBeyer | not really...There must be a REASON I would want to go Offshore. If they pay On Track prices....why play there? |
| ovals | most offer 7% rebats |
| Dman | He isn't exactly kicking butt right now, but I tell you that horse is something special and one to keep an eye on |
| Orbit | night hd |
| ovals | nite capper |
| LadysSecret | nite hd |
| redransom | agreed dman, totally a bright future |
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| blu | I think many big time players are concerned for the health of the industry in genereal, sure they don't like takeout, but give it to your local track before some parasitic off-shore company! |
| redransom | nite hd! |
| horseshoer | I know this sounds hokey, but I just wish people would go to the track |
| CaptainBodgit | Chief Seattle will win if he rates |
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| LadysSecret | hi tb |
| Trempolino | HAPY BIRTHDAY SHARP CAT-------I'M LATE BY 9 MINUTES........ |
| KidBeyer | Horseshoer....MOST people don't have accessibility to a track or OTB |
| CaptainBodgit | You cant beat watching it live |
| SharpCat | thanks TREMP!! |
| Tex1 | Not really Tremp, she's on the west coast |
| Dman | CB - gotta agree there |
| Trempolino | THAT'S RIGHT-------THANKS tEX! |
| SharpCat | yup |
| Brilliance | Hey you're late by five day on my account guys! LOL! |
| Trempolino | Sorry about the caps... |
| Dman | I'm just as excited for Turfway's winter meet to get going as I am the Breeder's Cup |
| Brilliance | Oh well.... |
| RockSand | Nite all - thanks for coming in Caton - come back! |
| Brilliance | nobody loves me |
| horseracingADM | Nite RS |
| SharpCat | happy bday to you to Brill |
| Orbit | night rs |
| ovals | nite rs |
| caton | For what it's worth, some of my close friends work for TRN and for UBET. The point is, off-shore does offer rebates, doesn't have to contend with take-out and isn't subjected to the same scrutiny that most tracks or OTB's are. If we don't figure out how to get more people to the tracks, we're all in trouble. |
| SharpCat | even though it was FIVE ddays ago. |
| CaptainBodgit | cya rs |
| LadysSecret | nite rs |
| WeekendStorm | Happy Birthday, Sharpie! |
| KidBeyer | Dman...I'm going to Play Turfway's NIGHT cards soon as Meadowlands call it a meet ; ) |
| Trempolino | Happy Belated Birthday Brilliance |
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| LadysSecret | hb Brill and Sharpie |
| Dman | KB - There's nothing like winter at Turfway |
| SharpCat | thanks Lady!!! |
| blu | Agreed Caton. I understand you're involved in sending a group of youngsters to BC? That's just the kind of thing we need to do to cultivate that fan base. Thanks for your efforts |
| CaptainBodgit | Nothing like being at the Belmont Stakes last 3 years |
| Brilliance | Thank you...... I'm getting all weepy... You are sooo sweet |
| Dman | hehe |
| horseshoer | will the bill in congress affect the off shore businesses Caton? |
| caton | Don't think so, although I'm not certain. |
| KidBeyer | I think The NTRA has gone about it all wrong...new fans walk into tracks everyday. The lack of knowlege hurts the fan. The Takeout robs any chance to succesd. |
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| KidBeyer | The Takeouts should be reduced FIRST and a National Fan Education program should be launched. |
| CaptainBodgit | The track would make more if Takeout was lower- research has proved that |
| Tex1 | Gotta go... thanks for coming in tonight Caton! |
| LadysSecret | nite Tex |
| horseracingADM | Bye Tex |
| Tex1 | Adios all! |
| Orbit | bye tex |
| Trempolino | Night Tex |
| WeekendStorm | Nite Tex! |
| Tex1 | Hope you can come in more often! |
| Tex1 | bye! |
| CaptainBodgit | cya tex |
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| discovery | G'night Good Handicapping, Thanks Caton |
| LadysSecret | nite disco |
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| caton | And as to the Kids to the Cup, thank yourselves. With the help of racefans and racing organizations across the country, we were able to raise enough to send a group of kids and their parents to the Cup, with money to spare to start organizing for next year. |
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| Dman | oh boy |
| LadysSecret | bout time GC ;-) |
| horseracingADM | Hi GC |
| CaptainBodgit | Takeout should be 10%- thats only fair since thats standard vig |
| SharpCat | whoa, he gc |
| SharpCat | hey |
| Brilliance | oh no |
| Orbit | hi gc |
| GreatCommunicator | Behrens is a stone Cold lock and so is Kona Gold |
| KidBeyer | Aye Aye Captain |
| GreatCommunicator | Book it |
| Dman | hey I'm with ya on Behrens |
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| SharpCat | kona no way. |
| SharpCat | :) |
| caton | I can only stay on for about five more minutes. Don't mean to rush anyone. |
| GreatCommunicator | Daylami is a toss and so is Royal Anthem |
| WeekendStorm | Hey Caton! That's wonderful! |
| CaptainBodgit | GC will whip Behrens |
| horseracingADM | Thank you so much for coming tonight Caton. |
| SharpCat | no no no not royal. |
| SharpCat | hez my bud. |
| horseracingADM | Come back anytime. :-) |
| blu | Thanks Caton! |
| LadysSecret | Thanks Caton! |
| GreatCommunicator | Touch Gold has yet to cross the finish line from last year Caton |
| Brilliance | Allrightey....I'm gone |
| CaptainBodgit | Kona has a shot but he runs 2nd too much |
| caton | Yes, but he did not finish last GM |
| GreatCommunicator | Same thing |
| GreatCommunicator | Second to last |
| CaptainBodgit | 3rd to last |
| WeekendStorm | Yes, thanks so much for coming, Caton - come again and thank you! |
| GreatCommunicator | General Challenge will either win or be off the board |
| Trempolino | Thanks for stopping by Caton---Best of luck in 2000 and future endeavors |
| KidBeyer | Hey Touch Gold, I picked also. Layoff ; ) |
| CaptainBodgit | Win |
| Brilliance | ok |
| Brilliance | bye bye |
| ovals | thanks for the evening caton |
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| caton | No. I'm certain you bet me he would be last. Not that it matters---he didn't win, and neither did I. |
| CaptainBodgit | Thanks Caton, you stayed on much longer than most |
| KidBeyer | Good eveing Caton..it's been a pleasure. We miss at Monmouth Park ; ) |
| Dman | Caton, thanks for stopping by, and as for the TVG criticism I'll just add that you're preaching to the converted here, so don't take our criticisms too seriously. Most of us would watch TVG 24/7 even if it were broadcast entirely in Swahili. Best of luck, though, and I hope it gets to DirecTV as soon as possible |
| GreatCommunicator | Heritage of Gold is the longshot opick of the day, she may well win the distaff |
| GreatCommunicator | BB and SBD are tosses |
| SharpCat | no no no |
| SharpCat | sbd :) |
| CaptainBodgit | I got robbed with Swain |
| blu | SBD!!! |
| Trempolino | Is she your Distaff pick GC? |
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| blu | I got Swain in my LAP! |
| CaptainBodgit | BP wire 2 wire |
| GreatCommunicator | SBD is the Open Mind of '99, she could get third |
| LadysSecret | Lost Cindy again |
| CaptainBodgit | lol blu |
| GreatCommunicator | BP may not get the clear lead |
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| caton | Thanks everyone. I'll try and stop in again. Good luck to everyone on Saturday. |
| SharpCat | bye Caton!!! |
| blu | Reckon Dettori will get booed? Not that i aadvocate that sort of thing |
| CaptainBodgit | Noone is close to the speed of BP |
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| Dman | GC - live longshot for the Classic is Vision&Verse, book that. |
| GreatCommunicator | I wish the spint was on the pick 6 card |
| horseshoer | good night Caton |
| GreatCommunicator | NO WAY Dman |
| GreatCommunicator | Impossible and I'll tell you why |
| LadysSecret | night Caton |
| Dman | why |
| Trempolino | Night Caton |
| CaptainBodgit | I like V V |
| caton | good night horseshoer, Ladys Secret and everyone. and thanks. |
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